Tucker Carlson: MS-XIII is one of the major gangs, and they are satanic also. That was my question, I’m sorry. No, no, no. But I hope you will explain it because very little has been written in the West about this.
They’re satanic, yes. But actually, literally, can you explain?
Nayib Bukele: Well, they didn’t start as a satanic organization. MS-XIII started in Los Angeles in the U.S. because Salvadorans weren’t allowed to sell drugs by the Mexican gangs. So they created a gang that was called the 18th Street Gang because they basically wanted to sell drugs on a street that was 18th Street over there. But then the Abyssinians started to divide themselves and began infighting, so they created the MS-XIII.
And then Mr. Tarantino started outgrowing the other gangs, and they began exporting the organization to other parts of the U.S. When Bill Clinton decided to deport those guys, he didn’t tell our government at the time, saying, “I’m deporting this criminal.” They just sent them here, and they came—there were few, but unchecked. At the same time, some laws were passed to protect minors from imprisonment, and of course the gangs used that to recruit 15-year-olds, 16-year-olds, and 17-year-olds.
So the beginning was some youth causing harm, assaulting, trying to control their territory, and selling drugs—things that are bad but probably not critical. But they grew, they grew, they grew, and they started controlling territories. A few years later, they were actually a huge international criminal organization with bases in Italy, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, and the U.S. Basically, a lot of major cities in the U.S. will have strongholds.
Tucker Carlson: Right outside Washington, D.C.?
Nayib Bukele: Yes, of course. You have them in Long Island and L.A.—it’s a huge international criminal organization. So they grew and started killing more people just to gain territory, to fight against rival gangs, or to collect debts, money, or whatever. But as the organization grew, they became satanic. They started performing satanic rituals—I don’t know exactly when that started, but it was well documented.
And now we’re arrested. We’ve even found the authors and things like that—I’ve seen them. And so they became a satanic organization. Even when you interview gang members in prison, they say, “I’m out of the gang.” Of course, they’re in prison, but they insist, “I’m not a member of the gang anymore.” And when they were asked why, I remember one interview conducted by a very well-known news outlet that was allowed into prisons to speak with a gang member in person.
They asked him, “How many people have you killed?” and he said, “I don’t remember.” He didn’t remember how many—probably 10 or 20. Then they asked him, “What is your position in the gang?” He explained how he rose in the ranks, but then he left the gang. I asked him, “Why did you leave the gang?” and he said, “Well, because I was used to killing people—I killed for territory, to collect money, for extortion. But I came to this house and they were about to kill a baby.”
He, a killer who had taken tens of lives, said, “Oh wait, what are we doing? Why are we going to kill that baby?” They told him, “Because the beast asked for a baby, so we have to give him the baby.” He said he couldn’t stand that, so he left the gang. He’s in prison because he’s a killer, but he left because he couldn’t tolerate what he was seeing. So human sacrifice was a part.
Nayib Bukele: Well, in the United States—either a couple of weeks ago or a couple of days ago, I don’t remember exactly—I saw the news that they were going to kill a young girl, or that they killed a young girl. I don’t exactly recall because it was a satanic ritual. It happened in the U.S. a couple of weeks ago.
Tucker Carlson: So that’s almost never described in the English language press as clearly as you just described it.
Nayib Bukele: No.
Tucker Carlson: Which is weird, right?
Nayib Bukele: Well, you sort of wonder why.
Tucker Carlson: Yeah.
Nayib Bukele: If there’s a spiritual component driving it, why not just say so?
Tucker Carlson: Yes.
Nayib Bukele: But I guess my point is you saw it as that—yes, yes, of course. There’s a spiritual war and there’s a physical war, and the physical war could be—that’s the unofficial…
Tucker Carlson: Yes.
Nayib Bukele: …version. The spiritual, if you win the spiritual war, will reflect into the physical world. So I think our— I don’t know what I would call it—our impressive victory was because we won the spiritual war very, very fast.
Tucker Carlson: Well, that leads me—I didn’t expect—because you didn’t have competition. I mean, there were satanic forces; I think that made it easier. In your inaugural, and I was listening on headphones for the translation, so I just want to check this: you said we have achieved this great victory and made this a safe country, and that’s the predicate for everything that follows. The next thing we’re going to do in this term is work on the economy to make it better.
Nayib Bukele: Yeah, grow the economy, yeah.
Tucker Carlson: And you said—correct me if I’m wrong—you said I have a 3-point plan, and I’m thinking, I wonder what that is.
Nayib Bukele: I don’t know—start a Federal Reserve Bank.
Tucker Carlson: And you said the first point of my plan is to seek God’s wisdom.
Nayib Bukele: Yes, that is what you said.
Tucker Carlson: Yeah, I said that. Why would that be the first point of an economic plan? Why wouldn’t it be—why should it be the first part of the plan?
Nayib Bukele: Well, I think it should be.
Tucker Carlson: Yeah, and most people would think that, right? I’ve never heard any leader of any country say that, probably because they forget to represent the people who elect them. It’s like when you ask most people who elect politicians, they’ll say, “Yeah, that’s fine.”
Nayib Bukele: Yeah, I believe that.
Tucker Carlson: But then you ask the politician, and he would say, “No, no, no, that’s not.” So who is he trying to pander to? I mean, it doesn’t make sense, right?
Nayib Bukele: So it’s common sense to seek God’s wisdom.
Tucker Carlson: Of course.
Nayib Bukele: It’s a prerequisite for wise decision-making, I would say.
Tucker Carlson: Yes, exactly. So that’s the first part of our plan.
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