A big shoutout to a reader (Mark) for sending me this video — also curses to you too!
Why?
Because the video was so good I was instantly hooked and couldn’t stop watching!
So fair warning to you, don’t click in unless you have time to keep watching, because it’s super good and hard to click Pause!
So the show is called SURROUNDED and the concept is Charlie Kirk shows up on a (far left) college campus and invites students in to debate him on multiple different issues.
If the crowd thinks the student is losing, they raise their literal Red Flags and when enough Red Flags go up, that student has to leave the chair and whoever wins a race to claim the seat next gets to take the next shot.
It’s fascinating!
Watch here:
Back up here if needed:
WOW! Can 25 Liberal College Students Outsmart 1 Conservative? (feat. Charlie Kirk) pic.twitter.com/VzBdckG0n6
— DailyNoah.com (@DailyNoahNews) September 10, 2024
Full Transcript:
[Video Transcript]
Charlie Kirk: Do you think men can give birth?
Student 1: I think that’s a yes or no question. A person who is assigned male at birth…
Charlie Kirk: So, people aren’t male at birth?
Student 1: I think you need to see your evidence. This is why college is a scam, my friend.
Charlie Kirk: Hello, everyone. I am Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, and I am surrounded by 20 woke college kids. My first prompt is: Abortion is murder and should be illegal.
[Music]
Student 2 (Juliana): Can we get our terms right first? Abortion is the forcible ending of the viability of a being in utero, otherwise known as a fetus. Do we agree that’s what abortion is?
Charlie Kirk: Yes.
Juliana: And murder is the intentional taking of life. It’s different from killing or sudden death. Murder would be the intentional taking of another life. Do we agree with that?
Charlie Kirk: Yes.
Juliana: And then we agree that murder, in general, in society, should be illegal?
Charlie Kirk: Yes.
Juliana: Okay, great. I’m a Catholic, so I think one important thing the Bible says is not to judge. Just going back to the topic, I think there’s a big difference between cells in utero and a living, breathing, existing being. While I do believe it’s murder — and that’s just my personal belief — I don’t believe in telling people what to do with their bodies. That’s not up to me, and it’s not up to us as Christians to judge.
Charlie Kirk: Should we prevent murder in society?
Juliana: For sure, yeah, it should be illegal. But I think it’s really different, right? Because, you know, these people aren’t… Sorry, nice to meet you.
[Music]
Student 3 (NAA): Can I just ask, at how many weeks do you think a fetus is viable?
Charlie Kirk: Viability and moral worth are two different things.
NAA: No, but I’m asking you, at how many weeks?
Charlie Kirk: 20 weeks. A baby can survive outside of utero.
NAA: Actually, it’s 24 to 26 weeks.
Charlie Kirk: No, the youngest ever in a NICU unit actually happened in San Diego, not far from here, and survived at 20 weeks.
NAA: So under Roe v. Wade, 93% of abortions happened in the first 13 weeks of pregnancy. That’s 93% well before a fetus is technically viable as a form of—
Charlie Kirk: Let’s go into viability. What is it about, say, a six-week baby that has a heartbeat, its own DNA fingerprint, and brain waves that is of less moral worth than an 88-year-old with dementia?
NAA: First of all, it’s not a baby; it’s a fetus.
Charlie Kirk: What does fetus mean in Latin?
NAA: I don’t know. What does it mean?
Charlie Kirk: It means “little human being.”
NAA: Your smile is very creepy.
Charlie Kirk: Smiling is creepy?
NAA: No, your smile specifically. But we’re losing track here.
Charlie Kirk: Let’s go back to our terms. Can we agree that abortion is the forcible ending of a viability of a being in utero?
Student 4: Actually, no. I’d like to refine our terms. I have two points to bring up after that. You defined murder as intentionally killing a human being. I think that’s a very poor way to define murder because if someone were to break into my home and point a gun at the heads of me and everybody I love, and I intentionally kill them to prevent them from killing my family, I don’t think I murdered them. So, I would define murder as the unjustified termination of a human life.
Charlie Kirk: You’re making a good point. Let me further clarify then. Self-defense is very warranted.
Student 4: Exactly. Right.
Charlie Kirk: But I can see where you’re going to go with how that relates to abortion, but we can go down that journey in a second.
Student 4: Yeah.
Charlie Kirk: My next claim is: College is a scam.
Student 5 (Maddox): Well, let’s define our terms. College, being traditional four-year college or university, not community college or technical college. A scam, if we can agree on a definition, is where a majority of people who go through the institution or business are not getting their money’s worth or time’s worth and are being deceived when they sign up. Do we agree on those terms?
Charlie Kirk: Yes, perfect.
Maddox: What do you think is the purpose of going to college?
Charlie Kirk: The purpose of college should be a traditional liberal arts education — the pursuit of what is good, true, and beautiful. It should be the betterment of yourself and your soul, nurturing your character, and becoming a better citizen. At the very least, it should be preparing one for the job market. Do you think college does those things?
Maddox: I think it does, but I would add that I think not only is it for the betterment of yourself, but for the betterment of society. We need historians; we need certain majors that may not make as much money. I think those are for the betterment of society. Would you agree?
Charlie Kirk: It depends. Do you think getting a degree in gender studies is good for society?
Maddox: I would agree, yeah.
Charlie Kirk: Why?
Maddox: Because studying gender helps us understand various identities and dynamics in society, contributing to broader social and cultural discussions.
Charlie Kirk: Learning that men can give birth is not exactly a good use of time, is it?
Maddox: Is that what they’re teaching in college right now?
Charlie Kirk: According to the Center for Disease Control, they no longer say women can give birth; they say birthing person.
Maddox: Do you think men can give birth?
Charlie Kirk: Do I think men can give birth? I think that—
Maddox: That’s a yes or no question.
Charlie Kirk: I think a person who is assigned male at birth—
Maddox: I don’t think they’re assigned male at birth.
Charlie Kirk: So people are not male at birth?
Maddox: I think that a person… See, your evidence that college is a scam, my friend.
Charlie Kirk: So you think that studying gender is essential? Should we not deepen our understanding of these concepts?
Maddox: First of all, I don’t think gender exists. I think there are two sexes, infinite personalities, and genders, however. Let’s get back to the core contention. College is a scam.
Student 6 (Emily): It’s difficult to think about just one major like gender studies. Not everyone can be a doctor or a lawyer. Some people go to college and get a degree that they don’t end up using, but I don’t think that means college is a scam. Some people do end up using their degrees, and that’s important because we need educated professionals like doctors. Imagine if doctors just thought, “I think I can do it.”
Charlie Kirk: Of course, doctors and lawyers need credentialing, but less than 5% of all people who go to college end up studying medicine or law. Most go into soft social sciences, communications, or the humanities.
Emily: Are you forced to take classes that you think are a waste of time?
Student 7 (Al): I do have to take some classes that are a waste of time, but it’s part of the broader education experience. It’s not a scam. High school was the same; you learn things you might not use directly in your career.
Charlie Kirk: But high school is free. College isn’t. The majority of kids who go to college end up in debt. So, if they’re taking classes that are a waste of time, and they’re paying for it, isn’t that scammy?
Al: I think it’s up to the person to make their college experience worthwhile by taking the right classes and making connections.
Student 8 (Amanda): You keep saying that Kamala Harris is a DEI candidate and didn’t earn her position.
Charlie Kirk: Kamala Harris was chosen because Joe Biden said he would pick a black woman as his vice president. Her qualifications weren’t the main reason for her selection. That’s the definition of DEI — choosing someone based on diversity rather than merit.
Amanda: I don’t think that’s fair. DEI is about creating opportunities for people who have historically been marginalized. Kamala Harris has qualifications that made her a good candidate.
Charlie Kirk: So, what is her greatest accomplishment?
Amanda: She was a district attorney in Northern California and the Attorney General.
Charlie Kirk: You mean overseeing San Francisco becoming a slum filled with crime and homelessness?
Amanda: That’s not the full picture. She was a prosecutor and made impactful decisions.
Student 9 (Mason): So, let’s discuss affirmative action. You believe it’s unconstitutional, right?
Charlie Kirk: Yes, the 14th Amendment ensures equal protection regardless of race. Affirmative action gives an unfair advantage based on race, which violates that principle.
Mason: But affirmative action exists to address generational inequalities caused by slavery and segregation. Without it, marginalized groups can’t catch up.
Charlie Kirk: If that were the case, then why have Black Americans become poorer and more violent since the Civil Rights Movement?
Mason: Because of systemic issues like mass incarceration, redlining, and continued discrimination.
Charlie Kirk: The fact remains, 13% of the population commits 58% of the murders. That’s not systemic; that’s cultural.
Mason: You’re ignoring the root causes — economic inequality, lack of access to resources, and targeted policies like the War on Drugs that specifically target Black communities.
[The debate continues on topics of systemic racism, gender identity, and definitions of masculinity and femininity, culminating in a heated exchange about Kamala Harris and DEI policies in government and corporate America.]
Charlie Kirk: Thank you all for this debate. I hope this sparks more conversations about these critical issues.
[End of Transcript]
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